08 Dec 2012 
#8 Did Jesus' disciples believe in the Resurrection and resurrections?

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1)  Right after (allegedly) the three disciples observe Moses & Elijah on top of the high mountain, why would they be "questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean" (Mk 9:10b). Even if it is obvious the high mountain scene could not have been  a witnessed event, why would "Mark" put these words in the mouth of the disciples? One explanation: Peter & others never believed in resurrection (even after they saw an alive Moses!).

2) Right before, "Mark" wrote "he [Jesus] charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. And they kept that saying with themselves" (Mk 9:9-10a)
Of course, because they did not believe in resurrection (including Jesus' own), they would not tell anyone about the high mountain story, explaining why that was never heard from them. For good measure, "Mark" added the disciples kept secret the fact Jesus (allegedly) predicted his resurrection.

3) Then after we have "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." (Mk 9:31)
What come next should not be surprising, according to my remarks on points 1) & 2):
"But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." (Mk 9:32)

4) Prior to the high mountain story, we have:
"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." (Mk 8:31)
But then:
"And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.""
(Mk 8:32-33)
Peter becomes Satan, because he rebukes Jesus saying among other things "and be killed, and after three days rise again".

Peter is said to think things of men, not things of God.
That's very reminescent of what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians, after Peter got followers in Corinth (which likely implies he went there):
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God ... But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned ... For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ." (1 Cor 2:10-14, 16)
It does look here Paul is criticizing Peter (the natural man) and his non-Christian thinking. And "Mark" knew about it (including Paul's epistle).
What about "Satan": as, most likely, "the god of this age" (2 Cor 4:4), he "has blinded the minds of unbelievers", which would explain Jesus allegedly accusing Peter to be Satan (or under Satan's spell as an unbeliever).

5) The original ending of gMark ("The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20" NIV Bible) has the women, who allegedly saw the empty tomb, be too afraid to tell anybody about it. Certainly that would explain why early Christian never heard of it (empty tomb & resurrection) from the disciples!

In conclusion, it appears "Mark" (and his community) knew about Jesus' disciples not saying anything about Jesus' resurrection and future resurrections. Why would he suggest that several times if it was not true? Certainly having Jesus own disciples not believing in any resurrection did not help Mark's Christian case, on the contrary.

Cordially, Bernard

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Comment from: Adv

Paul affirms that him, Peter and Apollo preached the same Christ:

My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
Is Christ divided?
[...]
but WE preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

The ones who are "carnal" men and look for wisdom of this world were the Greeks...
[...]
Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
2012-12-17
Comment from: mullerb

Dear visitor,
The quote you provided does not prove your point. And the WE (written 10 verses later) is more likely to refer to Paul and his helpers, and not to Paul, Cephas, Apollos & Christ.
2012-12-17